John Lydon – ‘Trump is the Sex Pistols of politics’ | Music | Entertainment
That familiar face veers into view on Zoom. âIt lives!â John Lydon cackles over his breakfast pint before unleashing a cascade of caustic opinions certain to unsettle Bafta bigwigs. For starters, heâs enjoying Trumpâs presidency. âItâs joyous,â John says, grinning broadly. âHis distractors are distraught, but public money had been wasted and now thereâs a businessman in charge. He stops the waste, cleans up the rubbish and makes it efficient. What a novel idea!
âIâm sorry folks, but he is the Sex Pistols of politics. I like that heâll do what he says. He doesnât make banal promises. Itâs not politics as usual. Thatâs why the BBC hate it. They and those like them are who caused this to happen.â
The BBC famously banned Lydon in 1978 after he made unbroadcast comments about Jimmy Savile that turned out to be true.
âI was the first, then Status Quo said it and for that we got banned,â he says, translating BBC as âbiased, bourgeoisâ and weâll skip the C.
âWhat a topsy turvy place Britain has become under that odd man, Keir Starmer. He was running the CPS when they didnât prosecute Savile, lest we forget.â
John beams broadly. âIâm still making friends and influencing people.
Lydon, 69, is still revered as Johnny Rotten, the iconic face of punk rock, even though he left the Sex Pistols to form Public Image Ltd 43 years ago.
John hit a rough patch in 2023, losing both Nora, his smart, beautiful German wife of 44 years, and his lifelong friend and manager John âRamboâ Stevens.
âIâve done moping and feeling sorry for myself,â he tells me. âI thought for a while that I might just retire, that nobody was interested in what I was doing. It was a self-taught lie. We canât just rest easy.â
Johnâs new manager is Alan McGee, of Oasis fame. âHeâs relentless, heâs enthralling. Heâs brought in many people, weâve changed promoters. Iâm writing songs now without having to think about itâŚâ
So much so that he tells me he fell asleep while writing the night before. âI gave myself a nose bleed,â he says. âI woke up to find a pencil up my nose, spurting blood all over the gaff.â
Lydon will tour the UK and Ireland for four solid months with PiL, followed by his own one-man show â âthe Titanic sails, but this time it gets there,â he laughs.
Nora was diagnosed with Alzheimerâs in 2018; John was her carer. Now he meets and greets his audience before his one-man show so people can tell him their stories which he incorporates on stage.
âItâs an old English vibe, finding something in common and no doubt helping people who have to deal with Alzheimerâs.â
John lost his 2021 legal battle to stop his former bandmates using Sex Pistols music in the Disney+ series Pistol. âIâm out numbered,â he says, his voice hardening. âI was in a court case, in the middle of my wife dying, with the Sex Pistols represented by the Disney corporationâŚ
âThe Sex Pistols, now owned by Mickey Mouse.â
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He dismisses the band, who have been gigging with Frank Turner on vocals, as âkaraoke â theyâd be a great act on a cruise ship; they havenât written any new songs since I left. I just said: âDonât use my words, because itâs clear you donât understand themâ.â
Netflix series The Crown started their fall-out. âNetflix wanted to have Anarchy In The UK and God Save The Queen playing over riot scenes at the Jubilee. But that did not happen. There were no riots. I said no, which drove the others nuts. Theyâre denying their own history. The only people who stood up at the Jubilee were the Sex Pistols. That was real, not this banal fantasy.
âIn the court case they stated that The Crown was Steve Jonesâs favourite TV show. What? I was laughing. What next Punk Gardening with Steve Jones pushing up daisies? Itâs the Kiss approach: cash is everything. Itâs detrimental to the songs. Their manager isnât British.â
Lydonâs strong sense of right and wrong are products of his upbringing. âThe values I grew up with â not morals; morals are religious, we have values, you didnât steal from your own, you looked out for one and another.â
Chippy and forthright, John Joseph Lydon was the eldest of four brothers born in Finsbury Park, north London, to Irish immigrants John and Mary. He grew up in a two-bedroom flat in Benwell Road, right by Arsenalâs Highbury stadium, all sharing two rooms with no indoor toilet.
âYou had to be funny to survive. But most people in our area were in similar situations, so it didnât feel like we were neglected until colour telly arrived. We saw adverts for Axminster carpets and wallpaper. Wow thatâs novel!â
It was a very mixed area â âwe didnât need Labour to tell us to be diverse.â
The roar of Gunners home games enthralled him. His crane-driver father took him to see his first match when he was four. âIâm still a season ticket holder, my family use it. The new stadium is right on top of the squalor I grew up in.â
Footballâs gentrification does not impress him, nor does modern comedy.
âI donât find left-wing comedians very funny, trying to lecture me. Middle-class students, always a problem. Theyâre educated but have no originality. They see us as beneath them.â
Woke, he says, is another word for judgemental. Johnâs comedy heroes are Tommy Cooper and Norman Wisdom â âa flyweight boxer with a heart, spectacular; I loved that tatty image.
âKenneth Williams and the Carry On crew â infamy, infamy, theyâve all got it in for me. The audacity!
âI spent many an hour with Nora watching Steptoe and Son. She learnt English better watching that than any other way, the subtleties, the subterfuge, the innuendoâŚâ
John left England for California 41 years ago, partly for health reasons. At seven, meningitis left him in a coma, wiping his memory, and tormenting him with hallucinogenic visions, which still sometimes return.
Dismissed as âdummy dumb-dumbâ by nuns at his Catholic school, he self-educated, reading voraciously, and developed life-long loves of painting and music. Lydon was fascinated by youth culture â âWatching the gangs change from Ted to mods to skinheads in the space of a few years.â
He had his own look â dyed green hair, safety pins and a home-made I Hate Pink Floyd t-shirt before he even met punk Svengali Malcolm McLaren.
The Pistolsâ incendiary anthems traumatised polite society and kickstarted a worldwide phenomenon.
âPeople try and say punk owes a lot to America. It owes nothing at all to America. Everything I wrote was about my immediate surroundings. How was God Save The Queen influenced by the Ramones? The Ramones were fine, but they were a long-haired pop band with nothing meaningful to say.â
The famously scabrous âRottenâ was a shy teen who adopted arrogance as a survival tool.
In 1977, he asked Motorheadâs Lemmy to teach his doomed pal John âSid Viciousâ Ritchie the bass.
âItâs an instrument anyone can learn. Not Sid. Lemmy rang me up and said, âJohn, heâs got no talent at all, heâs tone deaf and he canât follow a tuneâ.â
Lydon quit after the Pistolsâ shambolic US tour in January 1978; by May he was rehearsing PiL whose hits include Public Image, Rise, This Is Not A Love Song and Death Disco, written for his dying mother.
They will finish writing their next album, their 12th, on the UK tour bus â âmuch better than arguing about the chocolate biscuits.â
Growing up, John loved music. âReggae, some classical, HawkwindâŚI held Status Quo in high regard, the Pink Fairies too.â He relaxes by âblasting out music at full volume, I like my record-player to sound like a PA. There wasnât a band in the 70s that I missed. I remember hopping the train at 13 to see Free at the Isle of Wight. I was furious with the middle-class hippy audience for not loving what they were hearing.â
He still gets asked to work with other musicians but says, âI donât feel it. I get offered a lot of money but Iâm not a session singer. Iâm not a singer at all except in the fine tradition of the sewing machine.
âI donât want to part of the system. I donât like people who take themselves too seriously.â
*John Lydon and Public Image Ltd will be on tour in the UK and Europe this summer, opening in Bristol on May 22nd. John takes his solo Q&A tour on the road throughout the UK and Ireland from September 4th – November 24th. Ticket links for both tours can be found
at pilofficial.com
* John Lydon will perform with Public Image Ltd at Forever Now Festival on June 22, 2025 alongside Kraftwerk, The The, Billy Idol and more. For tickets, visit forevernowfestival.co.uk
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